Highlighting Beyond the Scenes: What Does a Post-Roe v. Wade America Look Like?

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What Does a Post-Roe v. Wade America Look Like? – Beyond the Scenes

hosted by Roy Wood Jr.

featuring special guests:

Dr. Ghazaleh Moayedi
Texas-based OB/GYN who will hopefully continue to be able to continue providing abortions.

and

Renee Bracey Sherman
Founder and Executive Director of We Testify: an organization dedicated to helping people tell their abortion stories in order to destigmatize this medical procedure that is a human right. Fuck “smiling more and talking less“; that is one big problem with this world. We keep pretending that business as usual isn’t slaughtering people who have every right to be here and be happy and live fulfilling lives.

Renee Bracey Sherman.

Dr. Ghazaleh Moayedi.

  • It really depends on how you come into medicine, and sadly, we aren’t really taught in medical schools the social justice aspect of medical care.
  • For example, me and my colleagues… we went into medicine as an instrument of social justice. I became a physician because I saw that as an avenue to improve justice in my own community. And that is not the framework that we get a lot of times, right?
  • We’re just taught that there are these ‘social determinants’ of health that maybe some social things could impact you and not that literally racism and white supremacy cause poor outcomes… It’s placed on the person that your individual identity is what’s causing you problems, and not these systems of oppression that we have to work through.
  • And so it’s really on us as physicians who are already kind of in the work to be teaching in that way to up and coming physicians. That it is your duty to stand up for your community. That health is not just in the exam room, but outside of the exam room…
  • It is our duty to speak up. It’s our duty to leverage our power for the good of our community…
  • It is on physician educators to be teaching through a social justice lens, and if you don’t know what that means, it’s your job to learn.

Sherman.

Roy Wood Jr: Here’s a broader question for the both of you: where’s the insurance? Where does the health insurance company stand on this?”

Sherman.

  • “Traaaaaaash!
  • They don’t really care…
  • They’re in the business of denying coverage for services anyway because if they have to pay out of it, that actually cuts into their profits. So even if insurance does cover abortion now―which, in the state of Texas, for example―private insurance by law cannot cover it.
  • Even if the estate does allow for abortion to be covered, they put it under a little line that’ll say ‘outpatient surgery’, so a lot of people don’t even know that their health insurance does cover an abortion if it does.
  • And then what’s happened with me: I go to the doctor, I get a blood panel done and then the insurance company’s like ‘yeah we’ll kick it back, we’re not gonna cover it’. And then you have to fight with them to cover it over and over and over again. So the more that they can have you pay for insurance and not have to even do the claim―or like the denial of the claim―that’s better for them because they get to pocket that money, and you still have to pay for that abortion out-of-pocket.
  • Most people who have abortions, even if they have insurance, still pay for it out-of-pocket.
  • I just went to the doctor the other day, and my doctor and I were both complaining about insurance companies; because it feels like when you’re in the exam room, yes you both have the government in there in an invisible chair, and then you also have this invisible chair of the insurance company, because she wrote me a prescription, a cream, and the pharmacist, while I was still in the room, called and said ‘Oh, your insurance isn’t gonna cover this’. And it’s wild cuz I’m sitting there with my doctor telling me, she’s like, ‘This is what you need for this ear infection’ and the insurance’s company’s like ‘No you don’t.'”

“What are the options a doctor has to try and circumvent some of these bans…?” Roy Wood Jr. “Now this is a terrible analogy, but you have to understand, I’m a man, I have no experience with women’s healthcare. I remember trying to go to Best Buy to get a TV, and they didn’t have the TV; and then the employee, like when you’re buying something in retail, the employee pulls you to the side, ‘I’m not supposed to tell you this, but uhhh, Circuit City got that same TV forrrrr. My friend, they got them in stock at Circuit City, go to Circuit City wink wink.”

Dr. Moayedi.

  • “For years, we have been working in this Circuit City / Best Buy scenario.
  • I work at a hospital that maybe doesn’t allow this, but I know my buddy at Circuit City down the street, their hospital has said yes for this condition…
  • We all in our individual states have these little text networks of like how the fuck do we help people, how do I help this person right here?
  • …We have laws from the 1800s in Texas that Brisco Cain―that guy that looks like three children sitting on top of each other in a trench coat―he is saying that those laws still exist, right? That they are still valid. Laws from the 1800s.
  • One of them says that if you provide an abortion to someone, and they die, then it’s murder.
  • Now, layer that onto you’re not allowed to provide care until you’re on the brink of death. So you’re about to die, but if you do die and we help you, then it’s murder for the physician.”

“Even though you should’ve never carried that fetus to term because we knew at week 7 that it was going to be a bad situation.” Roy Wood Jr.

“They’re putting us in the crosshairs directly.” Dr Moayedi. “There are laws in Texas from before Roe, from the 1800s that said if you help someone get an abortion, help them in any way, that you could be in prison in a state that has the death penalty.”

“That’s a good point, Dr. Moayedi,” Roy Wood Jr. “We’re still trying to live by laws from the 1800s. You gotta update your iPhone every four months. You gotta update all types of stuff.”

We update our politicians every two-eight years, depending on what type of politician they are.

“But we don’t touch the laws,” Roy Wood Jr. “Let our laws stay the same and be archaic forever.”

“All hail the holy document, right?” Dr. Moayedi.

“Anti-abortion activist. How do we get through to them?” Roy Wood Jr. “They are the loudest. They’re the most vocal. They are the most demonstrative. They present themselves in very scary sounding words―or they use straight up lies. Is there any reasoning with those people?”

No. They’re not going to listen to reason because their actions aren’t based on reason. They’re based on doing whatever they’re told to do. Life isn’t a story. You can’t save everyone. you can’t redeem everyone either. Don’t waste your time on people who repeatedly refuse to listen. That’s only going to wear you down, not them. It’s futile to try and pull these people left. We’re here for 100 years at best. Your time is valuable, don’t waste it. Why would they listen to you anyway? You’re not part of enough privileged groups to convince them to listen to you.

(This is not an insult to Roy Wood Jr. It’s an insult to people who are destructively naive enough to think they can redeem people who get into child-rearing in order to train soldiers for their masters. Sorry, insulated “righteous” ones, but you’re also the kind of people children need to stay away from! You’ll just get them killed! Sometimes, you need to ask the foolish questions in order to continue a conversation. And also, because some people haven’t done the reading like the rest of the class has.)

Sherman.

Dr. Moayedi.

  • Fetus lights.
  • …I don’t take interviews where anti-abortion extremists will be a counter to my professional views and my expertise because they’re literally talking about fetus lights, and I’m talking about public health, facts, research, data, right?
  • And exactly like Renee said, I’m talking about human rights.
  • There’s not a compromise ‘Is white supremacy okay? Where’s the middle ground? How much supreme can we be?’
  • …Many things are not black and white, but like white supremacy is bad, that is I mean very clearly black and white. Quite literally.”

Sherman.

  • “People have been having abortions for thousands of years.
  • Usually, it was just kind of, we talked about it with each other, ‘Hey, girl, drink this tea. Yep, the witch down the street, she’s got it.’ And it was just normal, right? It was a part of all our reproductive decision-making.
  • But when it was criminalized, in the 1800s, it was forced as a secret. And then in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, a lot of times the only times you heard abortion stories were after people were trying to criminalize a provider. So police were compelling people to share their abortion stories. So we weren’t sharing our stories on our own terms, and we were afraid that our stories could incriminate us or the people who provided our care. In the last 15 years, we’ve really pushed back on the stigma that has told us that we should just shut up about abortions. ‘Go get it and don’t talk about it. Don’t tell anyone about it.’
  • And so that ended up with people like me, when I had my abortion at 19, I didn’t know anyone who’d had an abortion. I knew one cousin, and that’s―oh, and the rapper Lil’ Kim
  • But I still felt really isolated, so I started sharing my story so that other people would feel like they weren’t alone, and to get everyone to realize that everyone loves someone who’s had an abortion…
  • My mother had not even told me that she’d had an abortion before she had me. And so I am here because my mother got to decide if, when, and how she could grow her family…
  • If you’re saying the only solution to this problem is to go vote in November, what are you saying to every single person who needs an abortion before that? What are you saying to the clinics that are going to have to close between the time the decision has come down to when the election happens, but also it’s actually a couple months after that because you have to get the new congress sworn in, but then you have to actually negotiate a bill and then vote on it; so actually, what you’re asking people by saying ‘Oh voting will just solve this’, you’re saying ‘Wait and take a chance that hopefully in a year, we will have the margins to be able to do this.
  • Because I was told that if we won the senate, they would protect abortion, and that is not what’s happening right now because of democrats who are anti-abortion like Joe Manchin or Kyrsten Sinema who won’t get rid of the filibuster.”

The last president put children in detention centers,” Dr. Moayedi. “You stripped them from their parents through executive order. We can’t make healthcare available and figure it out later? Why? Why can’t we?”

“We’ve been voting,” Sherman. “At some point, we need you to do your fucking jobs.”

“I’ll say, physicians, you’re not agents of the state,” Dr. Moayedi. “We are going to be called on to be law enforcement, and that is not your duty. Your duty is to care for your community.”


Biden: “With your vote, you can act.”

We already voted you into power, you useless American aristocrat!

Nina Turner‘s reply: “With all due respect, Democrats hold power to abolish the filibuster, codify Roe & expand the court all because people voted. You publicly stated today that you don’t support that. There is no way to achieve 60 votes in the senate this midterm. You need to act. Voters voted.”


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